It all starts like this.... Odgie:
We played our first gig at a Rock Against Racism concert at the squat in
Manchester, I guess that would have been late 76 or early 77. We knew some
guys who were in a band called Warsaw (later to morph into Joy Division),
and they said, hey we’ve got this gig, why don’t you come and play, so we
quickly formed a band… It was like that in those days. Allan played guitar
a bit, I got hold of a Chad Valley drum kit, we knew a guy who had a bass,
so we drafted him in. He didn’t live near us, so me and Allan wrote a few
quick songs and we just met Woody at the gig and tried to teach him the
chords in the dressing room, but he had no sense of rhythm. So we blatted
on stage and did the set but never plugged Woody in. It was all over in
about five minutes, but everyone cheered so much they wanted more. We
didn’t have any more songs, so we just played the set again as an encore.
Me and Allan would have been 22 or 23 then, Woody was a bit younger. |
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Members of the band
and instruments played?
Odgie: Allan guitar, vocals, me on drums, Woody at first as bass
guitarist, then we were a two-piece for a while, then Robin came in as
guitarist – we never had another bass player.
Steve Shy of 'Shy Talk'
fanzine recalls...
“They were always a trio, always. They had Woody on bass, then got rid of
Woody. Robbie came in to play rhythm guitar. That allowed Alan… We just used
to tune him up to an E-card, and he just picked at the guitar. They had a
sound check at Leeds University and they’d never done one before, it was a
waste of time. They always made it up as they went along anyway. By the time
they’d finished the sound check, there were about 300 people sat on the
floor watching, then they applauded. They were passing through for lessons
or whatever.”
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Were you involved with any bands previously…type of bands?
Odgie: There was a thing in Manchester where after a band had played
their set, a bloke called John The Postman used to get on stage and do a
version of Louie Louie using their gear, with whoever else was in the
crowd and could play anything, we used to get involved sometimes. But
none of us had done anything band wise – although I used to play a
cardboard drum with two pencils in time to the Rolling Stones in his
bedroom back in the Sixties…
Robin: None. |
Influences?
Odgie: Velvets, Iggy, Hendrix, Stones, New York Dolls, Residents, Can
Robin: The same but with a bit more Krautrock and maybe some subliminal
influences from PJ Proby(?)
How did you get
into punk rock?
Odgie: Listened to the Velvets and stuff and suddenly everyone was forming
bands and you didn’t have to be technical or anything, just play like your
soul depended on it… I guess by accident really, right place right time.
"Punk was like cries
for help. You’re much better on stage working out your aggression than, say,
you are smashing
phone-boxes and that’s the sort of urgency the music should have. That’s how
it started: then you get into where you want to go with it and what you’re
doing." Odgie in
Sounds Feature
Names of songs played. I think you had one called 'Nuclear Reactor' and
Paul Morley recalls
“Songs - We played a lot with the Worst, who made the Clash seem like
Rush. Alas, their 60-second rants about police brutality and the
National Front were never recorded.”
Odgie: Christ, can’t
remember, a lot of Evo-Stick was going down in those days, plus we had a big
Maxwell House jar full of dried shrooms, we’d wake up in whatever squat
after the gig, do a handful each and hit the road to the next town. We did
have one about necrophilia called 'Pass Me The Vaseline', that’s about the
only one I remember. But they changed and half the time we were just making
them up as we went along anyway.
Robin: nuclear reactor was actually 'Fast Breeder'. Another that sticks
in my mind was cover of “Get offa my cloud” – Stones. Our version of 'Sister
Ray' by the Velvets ended up as our whole set as an improvisation on some
gigs. 'Waiting For The Man', again by the Velvets and my favourite, -
'Heroin'. |
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How would you
describe your sound?
Odgie: Minimalist, urgent, honest, powerful, spontaneous, occasionally
inspired, often shite
Robin: As my mother used to say – “That’s not music, that’s just noise”.
That statement works on so many levels!
Stretford Civic Centre -
21st September 1977 with The Fall & John Cooper Clarke |
Any examples of what you
got up to or incidents?
Odgie: We got The Jam booed off stage when they played the Circus.
Fuck, they turned up with suits on coat hangers – posing twats. And
their music was shite anyway.
Steve Shy… “whenever
they could, they’d charge a toy to get in or a donation. Anything left after
taking petrol money out, they used to send that to the Pat Seed scanner fund
at the hospital. It was only a few pounds at the time, but that was their
idea of what punk was about. You’re fighting for yourselves and looking
after other people.” |
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