|
3AM: You
were obviously heavily influenced by other musical forms such as dub, and had no
interest in standing still musically and in your attitudes to sound: how did The
Slits link up with Adrian Sherwood's ONU Sounds and Don Cherry?
| TP:
Later, we toured with
Creation Rebel, Prince
Hammer and
Don Cherry. It was
exciting and fresh to be working with those artists, and it really worked well.
We all inspired each other, deeply. Neneh Cherry joined us before she joined Rip
Rig and Panic (who were named after a Roland Kirk song). As for
Bim Sherman,
I loved what he was doing with Adrian Sherwood. I used to listen to him again
and again and again. Tracks like "My Whole World", "Love Forever" and
"Revolution/World Of Dispensation": I listened to the purity of that music all
the time, or more specifically, what attracted me was the purity which was so
evident in Bim Sherman's voice. |

Don Cherry |
3AM: Can
you tell us more about the atmosphere, playing with ONU Sounds and Don Cherry?
TP: The
concerts were fantastic, and that tour brought together so many different
musical strands: punk, dub, avant garde jazz. Don't forget, so many music forms
were brought together out of that punk period. Reggae music just exploded in the
late 70s. Big Youth, The Spear, it was incredible, all came forward at the time
of punk. The concerts themselves were phenomenal on that Creation Rebel tour,
and the audience could really feel something special was going on here,
something fresh.
Adrian ONU Sherwood remembers that tour with fondness and humour, as is clear
from his account in Beat Records:
"Creation Rebel and Prince Hammer were invited to join The Slits on tour . . .
also on the bill was jazz legend Don Cherry and his fifteen year old daughter
Neneh. . . . During the tour, friendships were made (but) . . . the tour was
crazy: Style Scott (Creation Rebel/Roots Radics/Dub Syndicate drummer) was
rushed to hospital for acute appendicitis and missed the London show where
Crucial Tony (Creation Rebel, now
Ruff
Cutt guitarist) tried to play drums in front of
a sell out crowd at The Rainbow. It was truly anarchic. . . . (It was around
this time) I played Ari Up "Fade Away" by Junior Byles and "Love Forever" by Bim
Sherman, and she said, "Let's record some tracks and call them New Age
Steppers". . . . When we started work in the studio, we had reggae, UK funk,
free jazz musicians and an all round original cast in the studio".
3AM: Tell us more about Don Cherry. He is such a legendary figure in avant-garde
jazz circles due to his work with Ornette Coleman,
John
Coltrane and Sonny Rollins, but
it isn't common to read personal reminiscences about him and his character. It
would be good to hear more about him from those that knew him and worked with
him as you did.
TP:
Playing with Don Cherry was an experience I won't forget. It's so sad he is dead
now. I remember, the last time I saw him: we went to stay with him and Neneh in
Spain. We all had so much regard for him because he came from that whole
powerful jazz tradition. We went to see a flamenco performance. It was near a
lake. It was just a small village. Neneh looked after him until his death. Don
Cherry is the sort of person who would just say something so briefly and simply,
but it would be so profound with insight and depth that it was something
extraordinary. You would think about it for the rest of the week! Don Cherry had
something of the eternal about him: it was like he would never grow old. He told
us so much, so many stories. He told us stories about his closeness to Billie
Holiday. Some not so good, or not so romantic: he used to score heroin for
Billie.

Ari-Up, Neneh Cherry, Bruce
Smith, Vivian Goldman, Tessa Pollitt & Viv Albertine at Neneh's wedding.
Photo courtesy of Christine Robertson. |
Don
Cherry touched many people throughout his life I think, and it shouldn't be
forgotten. Neneh was the link for us to connect to that whole tradition. Bruce
Smith, her first husband played with us as a drummer, then Rip Rig and Panic,
then he went on to work with John Lydon in PIL. The father of my daughter, Sean
Oliver, also played with Rip Rig and Panic as well as working with Adrian
Sherwood on some of the early ONU Sound recordings. He died of sickle cell
anaemia about 12 years ago. |
At
this point of the interview Tessa becomes withdrawn, palpably introspective and
sad: Private memories, and it is clear it is time to change the topic.
3AM:
Tell us about The Slits' work with Dennis Bovell, UK dub innovator.
TP:
Working with
Dennis Bovell was really
a lot of fun! I think he had the same sense of humour as us. I think he just
thought it was really fun to be playing with three crazy girls, and one guy,
Budgie, who was playing drums with us at the time.
3AM: The
Dennis Bovell tunes have a thundering bass resonance and percussive spaciousness
and brightness which wasn't present in The Slits' sound before then. Which
tracks stand out for you? The bass drop as it kicks in from the emptiness in the
intro of "Grapevine" is phenomenal.
| TP: On
the album Cut, I love the groove and the bass line to "New Town" and our
cover version of "I Heard it Through the Grapevine". We wanted the bass to echo
the melody of the tunes -- as it did in the earlier Slits track "FM" -- which
for us was a hallmark of The Slits approach. Besides that, we all loved hypnotic
dub bass lines. Dennis devised all kinds of dub sounds for those sessions:
spoons dropping, glass shattering, matches shaking and being lit on "New Town"
(sounds symbolic of drugs paraphernalia). I'd LOVE to work with Dennis Bovell
again. He is a very talented artist. Every drummer we worked with was so
powerful, from Palmolive (who was a real key part of what The Slits were all
about) to Bruce Smith to Budgie. I hate the lack of soul and the rigidity of
drum machines; the coldness and mechanical perfection of the sound. I love the
qualities of roughness in music, a rawness which doesn't seem present in a lot
of music now. |

Tessa with daughter Phoebe |
3AM:
Tell us about working with Adrian Sherwood and linking up with ONU Sound.
TP:
"Man Next Door" with
Adrian ONU Sound Sherwood
was another good groove: Adrian brought one of the ONU Sound family to the
recording session for the drum tracks, a guy called Cecil. I can't remember
which band he played with: Creation Rebel perhaps? I must stress one thing
though: I've heard a rumour that some people think Creation Rebel played the
rhythms on that track in its entirety: wrong! I can assure you, that track was
played by me, Ari, Viv and Cecil, ok? No more rumours and inaccuracies! That
song was played by The Slits, except for the drums! I have a lot of regard for
Adrian Sherwood; the early stuff he did with The Slits as well as the Sean
Oliver tracks. He gelled with us really well.
3AM:
Tell us which bass styles attract you, and what vibrations feel natural for you
as a bassist. Also, how did you decide which songs you were going to cover?
TP: I
naturally have a dub groove to what I play -- I seem to sit into the reggae off
beat. I only like music that comes from the soul as opposed to manufactured
business product that dares to call itself music. Popular pap: where is the
message in that? Elastoplast's for your soul. Constipated emotions spat out on the
pavement. With "Man Next Door", it was a tune I had loved for a long time, and
we wanted to honour our influences. I don't remember who chose it to cover or
why, but it is a timeless classic tune that has been covered abundantly. There
are so many versions of that song, from Dennis Brown to John Holt. The most
recent one I recall is by Massive Attack with Horace Andy. (Huge respect to
Massive Attack and Horace Andy!) We followed the Jamaican ethic of playing
version, or even going back to an earlier jazz tradition where some melody from
another person's composition would come into your own song.
|