We hoped to sell some records. Decisions were not very conscious in those days. To a large extent whatever came at us that we liked we went with it. At one point we were in financial trouble – owed a lot of money and were not getting the success – so we put out the Drugs Addicts ‘Make A Record’ EP with ‘Gay Boys In Bondage’ as the lead track – positively chart bound! However it did give Kirsty MacColl her first outing on record – as Mandy Doubt. I think also that punk as a phenomenon and as a scene of some kind is really analysing after the event. At the time there was all sorts of music being played – punk was just part of it. We were selling all sorts of records in the Shop and the Stalls and what we put out just reflected that as best we could. These things all co-existed and apart from those into the whole deal – fashion and all – most of my friends listened to all sorts of music. Really it is a bit like looking at music today and saying that it is all about House Music. For some it probably is, but then there is a lot of other music around – same then. For me punk really lasted about a year and a bit. It was all over really quickly as indeed it probably should have been.

(Roger makes some fair points here but I think that punk really did stand out as separate from other music. Yeah it overlapped in places but it had an identity)